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Midas DN4888 StageConnect - 32. Channels on a Single XLR! 🤯
In this short video we're looking at the Midas DN4888 StageConnect audio interface. These interfaces come in three different flavors, and the StageConnect protocol can transport up to 32 channels of uncompressed digital audio on a single XLR cable back to your mixer. Let me know in the comments if you've tried them already & what you think!
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Pro Audio Deal or Disaster?! | Ep.3 Facebook Marketplace
Просмотров 2,9 тыс.День назад
In this series we're looking at Pro Audio listings on Facebook marketplace and seeing if we can find any deals in amongst all of the disasterous and overly optimistc listings. www.amazon.com/shop/dcsoundop www.dcsoundop.com As an Amazon Associate DcSoundOp earns from qualifying purchases. Support DcSoundOp by joining as a member - ruclips.net/channel/UCCiGAbMdd3jiJI2USDWgFBQjoin
NEW CAT Boxes and Tails by SoundTools Go BOTH Ways! - Audio over RJ45
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.Месяц назад
Two-way cat boxes and tails are now available from SoundTools! We’re taking them apart and answering your questions in this quick first-look video. Two Say Cat Boxes: soundtools.com/audio-over-cat5-systems-page-catbox-send-receive.html SoundTools bags: amzn.to/3Vj5OHH Dave RAT shows us composite boxes at NAMM 2020 - ruclips.net/video/c_I3nbEHtAM/видео.htmlsi=XSNRvG4AYbkoQiDu Rat Sniffer Sender ...
Laser Line Array Speaker Aiming from RAT Sound!!
Просмотров 1,8 тыс.2 месяца назад
Find more info on the Align Array 3 system & links to everything mentioned in this video @ www.dcsoundop.com/align-array-company-purchased-by-rat-sound/ Support DcSoundOp and watch future videos with NO Ads by joining as a member on Patreon - www.patreon.com/DcSoundOp The Align Array laser and inclinometer system has been around for a number of years now, and maybe you've already used one. Rece...
CQ-18t Teardown & Answering Your Questions about this Allen & Heath Mixer
Просмотров 12 тыс.2 месяца назад
In this video we're taking a look at some of the great questions and comments you left on my first CQ-18t video a few weeks ago. There were many questions that have already been answered in better detail than I can go into if you look at the A&H official forums for the CQ mixers: community.allen-heath.com/forums/forum/cq as well as on the Facebook group at groups/2364857973901915/ ...
DCAs on Allen & Heath CQ Mixing Station App | How-to
Просмотров 3,7 тыс.3 месяца назад
How do you get DCAs and Mute groups functionality on the Allen & Heath CQ Series mixers? You have to use the third-party mixing station app: mixingstation.app/ and follow this guide. It's super easy and makes these mixers a whole lot more powerful once you know how to make it work. Let me know if you have any questions. Shop CQ Mixers: amzn.to/49TBWqh (Affiliate link) bhpho.to/49SbL3k (Affiliat...
Pre-Record is a GAME CHANGING addition to the Tascam DR-05 ‼️
Просмотров 8474 месяца назад
Unlocking new Features: Tascam DR-05 Firmware Update & Auto Record Remember my Tascam DR-05 walkthrough from six years ago? A recent comment on that video had me thinking I missed some major features? Turns out, Tascam has since released several firmware updates with amazing new features, including Auto Record! In this video, we'll: Update your DR-05's firmware (it's easier than you think!) Exp...
Allen & Heath CQ-18T: First look at this NEW Live Sound Contractor's Multi-Tool
Просмотров 101 тыс.4 месяца назад
I'm excited to finally get my hands on the new Allen & Heath CQ series digital mixer to share with you today. From a sound contracting point of view, these are a really attractive form factor and price from a brand that we all actually trust. I think these will be very popular for breakout rooms, general AV sessions, or any fast-paced small event where you need to travel light and set up fast i...
SoundTools CatBOX 8 and SuperCAT 7 First Look & Teardown
Просмотров 12 тыс.5 месяцев назад
The new CatBOX 8 audio over cat cable boxes are here, along with the new SoundTools SuperCAT 7 network cable. We're taking a look, and taking them apart, and talking about how they are different from the other pro-audio cat snake solutions out there today. Find more info & pricing @ amzn.to/426WUz6 (this is an affiliate link) and at: sales.ratsound.com/collections/ratcat-series www.patreon.com/...
Pro Audio Deal or Disaster?! | Episode 2 - DcSoundOp Reacts
Просмотров 2 тыс.6 месяцев назад
Pro Audio Deal or Disaster?! | Episode 2 - DcSoundOp Reacts
Pelican Unpack - What's in YOUR Kit? with D.C. audio pro Nathaniel Rosov
Просмотров 7 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Pelican Unpack - What's in YOUR Kit? with D.C. audio pro Nathaniel Rosov
Sonnect's NEW SoundWire | First Look, Thoughts and Demo
Просмотров 16 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Sonnect's NEW SoundWire | First Look, Thoughts and Demo
Pelican Unpack - What's in YOUR Kit? with Philadelphia audio professional Michael Morrongiello
Просмотров 6 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Pelican Unpack - What's in YOUR Kit? with Philadelphia audio professional Michael Morrongiello
PreSonus Eris e3.5 Studio Monitors: The New King of Desktop Speakers?
Просмотров 23 тыс.10 месяцев назад
PreSonus Eris e3.5 Studio Monitors: The New King of Desktop Speakers?
Sound Bullet USB-C upgrade kits are available now from @Sonnect 🪫🔌
Просмотров 4,5 тыс.Год назад
Sound Bullet USB-C upgrade kits are available now from @Sonnect 🪫🔌
Andrew Logan's Secret Weapon: EQ2 for Location Bag Mixing
Просмотров 2,3 тыс.Год назад
Andrew Logan's Secret Weapon: EQ2 for Location Bag Mixing
Best replacement car speaker on Amazon? Testing the Boss BRS-40 in a Fostex 6301
Просмотров 3,3 тыс.Год назад
Best replacement car speaker on Amazon? Testing the Boss BRS-40 in a Fostex 6301
Two-Way Wireless mics, music & monitoring for live-streaming creators!
Просмотров 5 тыс.Год назад
Two-Way Wireless mics, music & monitoring for live-streaming creators!
Waves Audio meltdown 2023 - Who wants a Subscription?
Просмотров 2,6 тыс.Год назад
Waves Audio meltdown 2023 - Who wants a Subscription?
Behringer Wing Edit App for Mac, PC, Linux & Pi - Offline Editor First look 🖥️
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
Behringer Wing Edit App for Mac, PC, Linux & Pi - Offline Editor First look 🖥️
TASCAM Sonicview control software & offline editor first look 🎛️
Просмотров 4,2 тыс.Год назад
TASCAM Sonicview control software & offline editor first look 🎛️
What's Inside? | 90s Digital Multitrack Recorder Tascam DA-88 Teardown
Просмотров 4,3 тыс.Год назад
What's Inside? | 90s Digital Multitrack Recorder Tascam DA-88 Teardown
Pro Audio Deals & Disasters on eBay | DcSoundOp Reacts episode 1
Просмотров 2,1 тыс.Год назад
Pro Audio Deals & Disasters on eBay | DcSoundOp Reacts episode 1
Inside the MOTU Ultralite Mk5 USB C Audio Interface - Take It Apart!
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
Inside the MOTU Ultralite Mk5 USB C Audio Interface - Take It Apart!
The best XLR Adapter Pro Audio Technicians can carry!?
Просмотров 31 тыс.Год назад
The best XLR Adapter Pro Audio Technicians can carry!?
Reference Quality In Ear Monitors? Digital RF + Dante Audio - Lectrosonics M2T Demo
Просмотров 4,7 тыс.Год назад
Reference Quality In Ear Monitors? Digital RF Dante Audio - Lectrosonics M2T Demo
Lewitt W950 First Look & Demo - Multi-Patter Condenser Microphone
Просмотров 2,4 тыс.Год назад
Lewitt W950 First Look & Demo - Multi-Patter Condenser Microphone
MOTU UltraLite mk5 USB C Audio interface for m1 Mac, iOS and Windows 🤓
Просмотров 49 тыс.Год назад
MOTU UltraLite mk5 USB C Audio interface for m1 Mac, iOS and Windows 🤓
Studio One 6?
Просмотров 735Год назад
Studio One 6?
Multi-Track Recording in Audacity with the Behringer FLOW 8
Просмотров 15 тыс.Год назад
Multi-Track Recording in Audacity with the Behringer FLOW 8

Комментарии

  • @benchdawn
    @benchdawn 17 часов назад

    Never heard of something like this. I don't work in live sound. Does this only work with Midas? Is this proprietary to stage connect? I'm not familiar with stage connect either. I have a sound devices scorpio I don't imagine I can plug into that. Does it work with any computer? Already using Dante for functionality like this. Thank you, Sam

  • @IntheDAW
    @IntheDAW День назад

    now i want to buy a wing even more

  • @GuillaumeLortie
    @GuillaumeLortie День назад

    Great coverage of this units !

  • @donaldburns4462
    @donaldburns4462 День назад

    A little confused on why I would use this. I cannot use for vocal mics or instruments.

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp День назад

      @@donaldburns4462 If you use wireless mics or transmitters for instruments those all output line level. Same thing for powered monitors and wireless in ears on the output side.

  • @ChickyNYC
    @ChickyNYC День назад

    My first foray into audio over Cat cabling has been with Soundtools stuff. I use it live for connecting a custom pedal board, which I use for vocal effects, to my FOH console. In the studio, I use a few Soundtools boxes and cables to manage the signal distribution to my Atmos system. A+ stuff! Plus, Dave is a top chap!

  • @vicentegrillo2685
    @vicentegrillo2685 День назад

    Cool.. Good Feedback

  • @johanneshalvorsen275
    @johanneshalvorsen275 День назад

    Question: Can these boxes be used stand alone, without a Behringer/Midas mixer? A pair of these (or probabbly a pair of the I/O models) could be a nice replacement for an analog multicore in a setup with e.g. an older analog mixer.

    • @dallasphill
      @dallasphill 23 часа назад

      Yes... you can pair them up to make digital snakes!

  • @markshellard5894
    @markshellard5894 День назад

    As good as the job is you can’t beat wireless technology

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp День назад

      I use AirPod Pros most of the day honestly, but for video editing the latency involved with wirelss is a no-go. You can't tell what's in sync editing with bluetooth headphones, so wired headphones will be relevant for a long time to come still for editors & musicians. Thanks for the message!

  • @16LiveRecords
    @16LiveRecords День назад

    I love my 16 output model as expansion of my DL16 on Midas M32C mobile rack. Also I did many times IEM system with MR18 with 16 outputs as digital splitter. Theese modules are beast as P16. StageConnect is heaven, I've never had a chance to enter. Wing is no go for me. 😊

    • @alicino2
      @alicino2 День назад

      I have a question for you, wouldn't be cheaper to use the Behringer ADA8200 with ADAT on the DL16?

  • @mpbcelta
    @mpbcelta День назад

    Hello! Thanks for the video. Beside the low volume of the signal, I felt that the quality of the audio has decreased. Do you think it's possible? Or it's just equivocated perception? Thanks a lot!

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp День назад

      Hey thanks for the message. It can be really hard to tell quality differences at varying volumes... it's certainly possible that you could be hearing a difference though with anything in-line at this price point.

    • @mpbcelta
      @mpbcelta День назад

      @@DcSoundOp You are right! Even the quality of cables may interfere. I will try to do some more tests. Thanks for your answer!

  • @Boggycreeklife
    @Boggycreeklife 2 дня назад

    So I have the D6 0X made by the same company, do you always have to have the receiver plugged into your phone with the cable? There is no way to Bluetooth it? If there is, can you explain that? I cannot get anything on this to pair with anything, I can’t even get the microphone to say it’s paired to the receiver. Any help would be appreciated

  • @rivermiranda7759
    @rivermiranda7759 5 дней назад

    Is it only compatible with x32 and midas?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 3 дня назад

      Yes, only with their family of consoles, including the Wing too.

  • @landsurfin
    @landsurfin 5 дней назад

    Looking for replacement/upgraded wheels for my PELICAN STORM iM2975. Any suggestions?

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff 5 дней назад

    Transformer noise, ground loop noise, perfectly predictable... Don't do dat

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 5 дней назад

      @@YooTooobJeff Good guess, but the noise in this video has nothing to do with ground loops & the power supplies shown don’t have transformers.

  • @bleitefilms
    @bleitefilms 7 дней назад

    I plan on putting large wheels. Not only softer but bigger for city sidewalks.. any recommendations on how this might fit?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 3 дня назад

      I think the ones I used in this video were about as big as you can fit in there.

  • @John-Walker
    @John-Walker 8 дней назад

    I would not buy gear used on FB Marketplace

  • @John-Walker
    @John-Walker 8 дней назад

    my church has an M300. I loathe it, one of the most back to front consoles. and the lack of some features that even the equivalents consoles from competitors at the time had annoys me

  • @mistaowickkuh6249
    @mistaowickkuh6249 8 дней назад

    If you have to fix a cable on top of a truss, you didn't bring enough cable. Fixing should be done back at the shop. But I agree, I hate soldering even the XLR connectors.

  • @GoldenEagle0007
    @GoldenEagle0007 9 дней назад

    Which is more pleasing to listen to, Eris studio 8 gen2 or r65 v2?

  • @MichaelNatrin
    @MichaelNatrin 9 дней назад

    Does anyone know how those trekpak dividers hold up over time vs the padded ones?

  • @GoldenEagle0007
    @GoldenEagle0007 10 дней назад

    The Genelec 1029a are actually better for same price?

  • @maizesoft
    @maizesoft 10 дней назад

    M48 is actually very popular today

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 8 дней назад

      Which mixer do you use them with? I'm just finding out they are popular now that they've been discontinued :(

  • @GoldenEagle0007
    @GoldenEagle0007 10 дней назад

    Hi, are thes Better then PreSonus Eris Studio 8?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 8 дней назад

      I haven't had the chance to A/B them against the Eris 8's but for the money you could potentially save, I would give the Eris a shot if you can find a place to demo both.

    • @GoldenEagle0007
      @GoldenEagle0007 8 дней назад

      @@DcSoundOp i ordered the HS8's 🙂

  • @Bobby_Uterus
    @Bobby_Uterus 10 дней назад

    Why wouldn’t you want the power amps powered by the furman conditioners?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 8 дней назад

      In short, Furman conditioners don't do much to actually condition the power and are designed to work with relatively low and consistent current loads. They don't offer any protection for dynamic (relatively) high-current loads like power amplifiers. On a more practical note, like the listing in this video shows, you'd end up needing one for every amp to avoid popping the 15A breakers, which is just silly. You're better off investing in a rack power distro solution, like something from Motion Labs that can bring multiple circuits to a single rack to power your amps properly. www.motionlabs.com/products/rac-pac/

  • @landonlewsaw1762
    @landonlewsaw1762 11 дней назад

    Almost no market for large format analog desks at all. Home studio or an install. I bought a package from a theatre (I only wanted the Meyer UPAs) that included a Crest VCA 48 desk. It had been used on three musicals before a new TD decided to go digital, and had an amazing roadcase. Got 800 bucks for it but it took almost a year.

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 3 дня назад

      I used to love mixing monitors on the Crest desk a friend owned. I don’t remember the model, but I don’t think it had the big meter bridge like the VCA 48. I bet he’s still got it in storage somewhere.

  • @CollectorOfThings
    @CollectorOfThings 11 дней назад

    Roland have discontinued all audio mixers. If I found one cheap enough I'd buy one. My high school had one and probably still does.

  • @eriksharar986
    @eriksharar986 11 дней назад

    This is a fun line of content, I could watch these all day!

  • @beltran-wm5fl
    @beltran-wm5fl 11 дней назад

    Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!. I''ll never let the iPod Video go.... Modding one in 2021.

  • @GuillaumeLortie
    @GuillaumeLortie 12 дней назад

    The Roland stuff is not bad but definitely not up to date. I would take it over a Analog setup but I don’t think you can get more than the asked 800$ for the full setup. Any higher, I would choose something else honestly.

  • @IntheDAW
    @IntheDAW 12 дней назад

    i'll give him 4 for the whole system in the Trailor

  • @peanutismint
    @peanutismint 12 дней назад

    Some decent deals here! I bought a Mackie Profx 12 from a guy on OfferUp but when i got it home the entire left channel of the main bus didn’t work. I’ve had it open a few times and checked all the ribbon cables/output jacks on the main bus board but no dice. Also no sign of blown components or corrosion on the main bus board. Wonder if anyone in your community might know how to fix it? Everything else works fine, just the left channel. Weird!

  • @mark12.31
    @mark12.31 12 дней назад

    What do y'all think a real world price for a A&H GL2400 32 channel is these days?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 12 дней назад

      That's a tough question. It's going to depend a lot on where you are located, if you'll find a buyer at any reasonable price. Completed listings on eBay show these actually sell around $350 with $50-100 shipping on top. There are a pile of them not selling on Reverb for $500-$700+, so in person maybe $450 tops based on what I'm seeing, but finding a buyer is going to be tough.

    • @mark12.31
      @mark12.31 12 дней назад

      @@DcSoundOp Yeah, I was thinking $350-400 in person. I sure wouldn't want to mess with shipping one haha

  • @iengineer_247
    @iengineer_247 12 дней назад

    The crazy part of the trailer thing is that the system is inside of it and not in an AC controlled space....

  • @wellend89
    @wellend89 12 дней назад

    That Roland personal mixing system is actually really versatile and sounds pretty nice. I know some folks who run other consoles and just use the personal monitoring system via a MADI bridge that Roland used to make. The best combo with them is Roland's own M5000 console, it has a special mode to turn one of the personal units into an "Engineers Monitor" that can mirror any users' unit at the push of a button so the engineer can very efficiently help out if needed. If the dude would just sell me the personal mixers for say $2k I'd probably go for it :)

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 12 дней назад

      Wow, I had no idea those M-48 monitor stations were so sought-after. Funny, it looks like someone made an offer on that package and it sold already. Thanks for the great info!

  • @joeljaemaa9586
    @joeljaemaa9586 12 дней назад

    Man people are smoking crack. Why would I buy a thing that costs hundreds used for like 10% off

  • @joesalyers
    @joesalyers 12 дней назад

    Those old live desks with tons of channels like an Soundcraft MH-3 or Series Five or an Allen & Heath ML5000 make really great studio tracking desks. It gives you a high quality mic preamp and a very handy EQ and direct outs. Analog desks also let you track with zero latency and those old live desks have tons of aux's for headphone mixes. Sure its not a Neve, API or SSL but its better than all of those old digital mixers that only run at 48K internally. I have been using a ATI Paragon 2 for about a year now and I always wanted an SSL but could never justify the cost but I found a 48 ch ATI paragon at a theater that had went digital. API mic preamps and dynamics on every channel and the EQ is far better than any SSL EQ ever. I'm not going to be loading and unloading the desk like a tour would so its easier for studios to justify these analog mixers. But NO WAY would I go back to gigging with an analog console, but for a studio a 32 or 48 channel mixer is a good idea actually. So I can see where a live engineer would see an old analog desk and say NOPE, but a small home studio could really benefit from it. So I think there are people who would buy an analog mixer but it would serve a different purpose today! Cheers!! Great Video!!

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 12 дней назад

      I think you're abosolutley right, the only people I know who are using analog consoles daily have them in studios like you're doing. There are some great deals to be had if you've got the space.

  • @dantheman1998
    @dantheman1998 14 дней назад

    Just found a pair in a 2nd Hand store in Japan for $10.

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 13 дней назад

      Wow that’s a great deal! Let me know how it goes if you do repairs. Thanks for watching the video!

    • @dantheman1998
      @dantheman1998 13 дней назад

      @@DcSoundOp apparently in Japan 2nd stores if a item shows damage or is missing assescories they discount it pretty deeply. Has the typical vinyl coming off

  • @faycalbelmili1692
    @faycalbelmili1692 14 дней назад

    Hello and thanks for your videos ! I have a crucial question : - Can I use this as an audio interface plugged directly into my pc and enjoy its inputs and outputs through my favorite daw ? Thanks in advance !

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 14 дней назад

      Thanks for the question. You would need to purchase a Dante virtual sound card license for your PC, but then yes you can use any Dante device as a sound card for your PC with whatever software you enjoy.

  • @mikejones-nd6ni
    @mikejones-nd6ni 14 дней назад

    Loved the follow up to this pointless video

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 14 дней назад

      Thanks for the positive feedback, it really means a lot 🥹

  • @DigiTal.Sensei.
    @DigiTal.Sensei. 15 дней назад

    i have a pc how can i remove the power and record tell something about the pc solution too please

  • @davecooper360
    @davecooper360 16 дней назад

    You'll pry my Touchmix-16 from my cold dead hands!

  • @derfthekhemist8517
    @derfthekhemist8517 16 дней назад

    Morel make really great speakers if you can find a 4in try parts express

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 16 дней назад

      Thanks for the message, I'll have a look for them.

  • @DigiDog1231
    @DigiDog1231 18 дней назад

    Excellent , helped me decide

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 16 дней назад

      Glad I could help! Thanks for the message.

  • @jeshwanthenterprise6302
    @jeshwanthenterprise6302 19 дней назад

    How to buy sri

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 16 дней назад

      The closest dealer to you is in India - www.sonicevolution.in - if they cannot get them to you, you should message SoundTools directly through their website and see if they can ship them to you.

  • @hooninnpoonin3904
    @hooninnpoonin3904 20 дней назад

    I can’t get mine to playback out of my computer

  • @jeffmoss26
    @jeffmoss26 21 день назад

    Sweet!

  • @YeetMusic
    @YeetMusic 23 дня назад

    Can you boost the mid range? Would that fix the drop in the cross over

  • @joefunsmith
    @joefunsmith 27 дней назад

    I have a couple of audiopile/EWI cases, and their quality seems somewhere between the expensive elite level cases and the retail cases I bought from Guitar Center. The prices were around that of the latter.

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 25 дней назад

      I’d agree with that description… not quite LM or Anvil level, but better than a lot of consumer retail options.

  • @osands
    @osands 27 дней назад

    How is the audio quality though. There is an analog to digital and digi to analog conversion that happens with the XLR ones. Is it quality converters? Want for music studio application.

  • @johanneshalvorsen275
    @johanneshalvorsen275 27 дней назад

    I keep wondering... When will someone make a digital version of this? Some relatively cheap self contained digital multi core solution, for when a Dante/AVB/etc. stagebox is way overkill, but you still needs more than 4 channels of audio. Should be doable?

    • @DcSoundOp
      @DcSoundOp 27 дней назад

      It is doable, I’ve even got a video where I made one. ruclips.net/video/LeQC4xT9qa4/видео.htmlsi=XIEkWNoPG0hOMfEY The issue is the cost for the Audinate Dante chips and the licensing fees to develop a product through their developer program. If you can afford buying ten ultimo chips at a time, they will sell them to you outside of the dev program, but for anything bigger than two channels you’ve got to go through the whole expensive process.

    • @johanneshalvorsen275
      @johanneshalvorsen275 27 дней назад

      ​@@DcSoundOp Yeah, I get that... But is Dante the only available tech for this? If what you are going to sell is simply two boxes with e.g. 16 xlrs routed end to end, ANY protocol with a decently low latency should do? Maybe some AVB implementation? I guess it's a matter of balancing development cost vs expected ROI, but this kind of product SHOULD be selable to a quite broad market, given a low enough price. I guess Music Group's Stageconnect-boxes is the closest we get today. Or have I misunderstood the specs on those?